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Socratic Method is one of the oldest and most respected forms of productive debate. There are many unproductive methods. All of which should be avoided. Socratic method is a very old and respected means to quickly and definitively resolve difficult issues by adhering to rules of conversation which are carefully designed to keep the discussion on track and drive it toward rapid and unreserved conclusion. Conclusion is reached when after carefully selecting questions designed to spotlight an affirmation's error, no one involved in the conversation is any longer willing to dispute the rationality of the affirmation.

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In this way, conclusion is forced upon those who remain in disagreement, but have no rational reason for their disagreement. One remaining in disagreement is forced to admit "I still disagree, but fail to provide a reason for my disagreement which others perceive as rational." The irrationality of his or her position becomes obvious to those involved in the conversation.

For this reason Socratic Method is very unpopular with politicians who often desire to remain uncommitted on some issues.

How do I comment in Socratic Method if I disagree?

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First, make sure you disagree. An argument is not won with fancy words, but by discovering the winning side before choosing your position. Is your position winnable? If not, accept it and change your mind, otherwise Socratic Method will reveal your irrationality to others. Once you've answered that, list the assumptions upon which the affirmed statement rests, and which if shown to be false, make the affirmed statement's error obvious to others.

Restate that assumption in language and terminology which make the affirmation's reliance upon the assumption obvious and ask those affirming if they agree with the assumption.

If the assumption is specious, wait to point out the assumption's flaw in your second question after those affirming answer their agreement with the assumption. Post "Considering that you agree with that particular assumption, do you also agree with its obviously erroneous implication, thus.....?

If you have difficulty finding an erroneous assumption or an error of conclusion implied by assumptions made in the affirmation, double check that you still disagree. You may find, to your surprise that you agreed with the statement all along. You just didn't think about it carefully enough at first.






Mark believes that God created humans on earth only.  (Mark, I'd be glad to add any additional comments here.)

Jerry believes that God created humans, and other intelligent creatures, animals, plants and microbes, all forms of life throughout the habitable worlds of the universe.  And that all of creation has one purpose, to provide His chosen children, mankind, the opportunity to learn and grow.



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   Jerry   wrote more than a year ago

Have you considered or identified the assumptions upon which you must rely to claim that God created only man but no other intelligent creatures?


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   Mark   wrote more than a year ago

Yes and yes,


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   Mark   wrote more than a year ago

Didn't I say there is an argument that we are the only place where Christ came and died for our sins? I don't see God sending his son to die a thousand deaths, do you?

On the other hand, where do all these ufo's come from? etc. etc. There could be other life created in other areas, I would assert, does that mess up the debate?




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   Jerry   wrote more than a year ago

Why did God create animals?


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   Dr. Who   wrote more than a year ago

Why wouldn't he?


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   Jerry   wrote more than a year ago

I presumed that you argued that God created no life elsewhere and wanted to see how far you were willing to go with that. If He created animals here, did He elsewhere. But I misunderstood your posistion.




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   Jerry   wrote more than a year ago

Considering your position, which I believe I now understand correctly to be that man is the only life chosen by God: and with which I completely agree.

I believe the whole universe knows something special is taking place on this single planet. Do you also agree that apparent visitations suggest abundant life and their interest in us, and their respect for what is going on here?


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   Mr. Universe   wrote more than a year ago

Yes, there is progesterone all over the place.

But who knows perhaps they could be angels.

What were these verses all about:

http:www.bibleufo.comchariots.htm


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   jerry   wrote more than a year ago

very Google collection of versus. I believe that God and His host do travel visibly at times and for His purposes. But spirit is not constrained by the laws of physics. They could walk through the air or a blazing sun if they wanted.

Biological alien creatures are so constrained byand would need a vehicle to travel here. witnesses of such events would probably not
have difficulty telling the difference.

Which brings us to the question at hand. Is the universe as full of life as this world is?